Hi there,
Thought I would post another hand seeing as there was a really good response last time (much appreciated).
These kind of hands I can't decide whether I'm playing wrecklessly (and trying to avoid poker playing by pushing all-in) or whether I'm charging my oppenants correctly and getting unlucky...in this instance it cost me the whole game (so probably wreckless)
Details:
Preflop Betting:
Player 4: Fold
Player 5: Call 160
Player 6: Fold
Player 7: Fold
Player 8: Call 160
me(Hopelesglory): Call 160 ()
(D)Player 1: Fold
(SB)Player 2 - 80: Fold
(BB)Player 3 - 160: Check
Pot is 720
Flop:
Flop Betting:
(D)Player 1: Folded
(SB)Player 2: Folded
(BB)Player 3: Check
Player 4: Folded
Player 5: Check
Player 6: Folded
Player 7: Folded
Player 8: Bet 480
me(Hopelesglory): Raise All-in 2370 (Queen 8 Hearts)
Player 3: Call 2370
Player 5: Fold
Player 8: Call 1715 All in
Player 3 shows: (Flush) and player 8: (2 Pair)
The flush held up to win and I went out of the tournament.
Now I'm about 75% sure it was a bad play however there is a lot of factors surrounding it...e.g. was it just bad luck the small blind had a flush, or did I not even give myself a chance to find out/get away from anyone who has a flush.
A call might have also led to seeing the next card...which if a club would mean I could get away from the hand. Plus I had no information on the players so a call might give me opportunity to find out more (I also would have had position - and I have enough chips to get away from the hand if unhappy with the situation)
Or was it a good play because I was charging the other players the maximum to chase a flush...
[I figured the raiser for a hand similiar to QK, QJ or Q10 with maybe the King/Jack/Ten of clubs or any hand with the Ace of clubs and maybe a mid pair(e.g. Ac7d), a flush he would have probably slow played, especially as a limper I would expect him, if he hit the flush, to have AceRag both clubs or KJ, K10 of clubs - which are all strong enough to slow play]
...and also potentially representing that I had one club (e.g. Ace of Clubs as I limped) and was hoping to take down the pot without a showdown - with the flush draw as a back up, if this was the case then a lot of weaker hands may call (e.g. any Q or 78) and pay me off. Otherwise I might take down the 3.5k pot without a showdown or if there is a flush I still have full house outs (Q or 8 or 77 ~ 16%)
Could it be considered unlucky that someone else on the table flopped the flush or is blaming luck a poor excuse?
In heinsight I wish I would have just called as the all in was an unneccessary risk (maybe I could do this if I was way over the other players in the hand), and then either played the next card or folded to the big blinds all in push/next players call as it would have been a safe assumption that i was behind...then could have continued playing with a ~2k stack. That I think would have been the safer and more profitable play. (Seems easier to play in hindsight!)
Any opinions appreciated (Assume you are loose like me and called preflop!) - don't be scared to be critical, it's the only way I learn.
Thanks in advance,
Steve
Thought I would post another hand seeing as there was a really good response last time (much appreciated).
These kind of hands I can't decide whether I'm playing wrecklessly (and trying to avoid poker playing by pushing all-in) or whether I'm charging my oppenants correctly and getting unlucky...in this instance it cost me the whole game (so probably wreckless)
Details:
- 1:20 hours into the game
- Just changed table 2 or 3 hands ago, not much info on the new table players, however there is not much pre flop raising and quite a few limpers
- I haven't played a hand yet on this table
- Unfortunately the william hill history doesn't appear to show stack sizes, but the players in the hand all had approx 2k-2.5k)
Preflop Betting:
Player 4: Fold
Player 5: Call 160
Player 6: Fold
Player 7: Fold
Player 8: Call 160
me(Hopelesglory): Call 160 ()
(D)Player 1: Fold
(SB)Player 2 - 80: Fold
(BB)Player 3 - 160: Check
Pot is 720
Flop:
Flop Betting:
(SB)Player 2: Folded
(BB)Player 3: Check
Player 5: Check
Player 8: Bet 480
me(Hopelesglory): Raise All-in 2370 (Queen 8 Hearts)
Player 3: Call 2370
Player 5: Fold
Player 8: Call 1715 All in
Player 3 shows: (Flush) and player 8: (2 Pair)
The flush held up to win and I went out of the tournament.
Now I'm about 75% sure it was a bad play however there is a lot of factors surrounding it...e.g. was it just bad luck the small blind had a flush, or did I not even give myself a chance to find out/get away from anyone who has a flush.
A call might have also led to seeing the next card...which if a club would mean I could get away from the hand. Plus I had no information on the players so a call might give me opportunity to find out more (I also would have had position - and I have enough chips to get away from the hand if unhappy with the situation)
Or was it a good play because I was charging the other players the maximum to chase a flush...
[I figured the raiser for a hand similiar to QK, QJ or Q10 with maybe the King/Jack/Ten of clubs or any hand with the Ace of clubs and maybe a mid pair(e.g. Ac7d), a flush he would have probably slow played, especially as a limper I would expect him, if he hit the flush, to have AceRag both clubs or KJ, K10 of clubs - which are all strong enough to slow play]
...and also potentially representing that I had one club (e.g. Ace of Clubs as I limped) and was hoping to take down the pot without a showdown - with the flush draw as a back up, if this was the case then a lot of weaker hands may call (e.g. any Q or 78) and pay me off. Otherwise I might take down the 3.5k pot without a showdown or if there is a flush I still have full house outs (Q or 8 or 77 ~ 16%)
Could it be considered unlucky that someone else on the table flopped the flush or is blaming luck a poor excuse?
In heinsight I wish I would have just called as the all in was an unneccessary risk (maybe I could do this if I was way over the other players in the hand), and then either played the next card or folded to the big blinds all in push/next players call as it would have been a safe assumption that i was behind...then could have continued playing with a ~2k stack. That I think would have been the safer and more profitable play. (Seems easier to play in hindsight!)
Any opinions appreciated (Assume you are loose like me and called preflop!) - don't be scared to be critical, it's the only way I learn.
Thanks in advance,
Steve
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