Interesting hand

Hi all

Just wondering what people would do here?

I dont have the hand history im afraid, but i can remember the important stuff...

I just sat down at table, blinds are $1/$2, no idea how people are playing. everyone including me is sat with around $200, except for a shorty of $50, and one guy on about $550, but he folds.

first to act, with

I make it $8, and get 3 callers, button, shorty in sb, and bb.

flop comes

shorty and bb check, I bet out for $35, just over pot size.

button calls, shorty goes all in for a few $ more, and bb pushes!!!! he has $220 ish total, and guy who called has $140 ish behind.

erm now what?

hmmm

this hand nicely illustrates why i dont play cash much!

Im definitely a tournament player, and not great on cash tables.

In a tournament I'd be calling, as people are happy to commit their stacks with less, but here im not so sure. Obv not too worried about shorty, as even if other guy folds, if you beat the bb then you take $300.

If one of the big stacks has QJ then the other 2 prob have some of your outs, and youre drawing quite thin. I don't see the bb flat pushing with the QJ, perhaps has 2 pr or a flushdraw? I dont like the flat caller behind you tho, if he has QJ then you have to outdraw him, and still have the bb to worry about (If he has A10 say, you're low on outs).

I think i fold, but not happily lol. What did you do?

As a side issue, if you watch a table for a little while before sitting in, you have an idea how people are playing before you start - If the bb has pushed a lot of flops, then id be more likely to call....

ship it in

but don't know how bb shoved as the shortys raise would defo have been an underraise based on stack sizes you have give

over - surely bb can shove, regardless of sb's stack, because chuck has bet? bb isnt reraising shorty, he's reraising chucks 35...

sb.......check
bb.......check
chuck....35
button...call
sb.......all in 50
bb.......all in
chuck....?

or have i read it wrong?

I'm never folding TT there, cant put him on AA or KK(i know its possible but) so only hand ur worried about is JQ, ship it in and reload and just blame the site for the setup.

I'm not folding this hand if i was playing $25/50 never mind $1/2

so what happened?? my guess is he had JQ and you rivered the T :-)

gl

no bb cannot raise allin as its an underraise, so he could only have called

cash is same as tourney

doesnt matter if its an under raise or not.

in tourney he can raise, and in cash he can raise.

bb checks, someone bets $35. Whether or not someone goes all in for $40 or not, he can still raise the guy who has bet $35.

if the bb had bet $35, then someone calls and someone goes all in for $40, then no he cant reraise. but here he can. he has checked, then someone has bet $35. he can always reraise here, regardless of shorty.

no


quite simply because the bb has already had his chance to act. had he not already got the chance then yes he could raise. im sure playing live there may be different views around the world but in any standard rules and certainly online, the bb cannot raise here

never mind on the pm wildrick lol i read it wrong and you are right

just got an explanation there from a full time cash player and now i understand that the bb can raise

the bb can raise all he wants because he has not had his action (action=money in pot)

it would have been different if bb had bet out the 35, hero calls, shorty shoves for 50. then the bb could not have raised

100bb.....cash....2 all ins...you have bottom set on flush draw board with plenty of combo draws.

call.

The only time this is ever a fold for 100bb in cash is if you believe there is strong chance you are oversetted...

Only time i would consider folding this would be a tournament.

= snap call

aye over m8, thats what i was trying to say lol, confusing with no hand history lol. did pm you again before i read this sry lol. glad we sorted that, thought i was going mad

still thinking bout this ...

quite interesting, as my cash game isn't great, so good to hear what people think about this hand.

If it wasnt for the $35 flat caller on button, then i cant fold v only 1 real oppo, who pretty much 100% doesnt have aa or kk. But i dont like that guy calling behind - best case scenario he has some of your outs, worst case scenario he's got better set and bb has QJ. So call if it wasnt for the $35 guy, but with him in as well, i still prefer the fold...

been playing a lot of omaha and hilo cash recently so probably swayed my view a bit, as in omaha its a definite fold with just 1010 and no back up.

good hand tho, n1 chuck

lol so now that we worked out the hh was legit what were the results?

id be very dissapointed if you folded

ship it every time although i would expect to be comming in behind to JQ bb a few times as this would be well in his range pre flop with 2 in the pot before him and only 6 more to see flop, but have auto rebuy on ready !

Thanks for all the responses guys, makes me feel a lot better, as this was how it went...

I decided to ignore the flat caller of $35 on button, and reasoned that bb wouldnt push if he was ahead, and so i called all in.

The guy on the button says 'wow, cant lay this, gl', and i figure im in trouble.

When the dust settles, the hands out were:

button had flat called my raise pre holding

sb i forget exactly, but two low hearts, possibly

bb had for a str8 flush draw with bottom pair.

turn and river were low non-heart blanks, and the button scooped the $650 ish pot. I did get the side pot of $25 against the bb's Q10, pmsl.

So basically 3 hands after sitting down with a full sit, i find myself all in on the flop, 4 way, with 0% chance of winning the pot, drawing to a runner runner nonheart QJ split pot.

Happy to see the majority lose it all here as well, just one of those sick set-up kind of hands i suppose Tx again . C.

ouch. Thats a nasty set up if ever i saw one, ul chuck.

and tbh, with 15 seconds to act, and a flopped set, all my money is prob going in... I just have an in-built dislike to playing big pots when ive just sat down without the uber-nuts, in the heat of the game tho, reckon i might be losing the lot too lol. Always easier to look at it from an outsiders view, and guess whats coming lol, least the other guys were all honest with themselves and said get em in lol.

thankyou rick, just got a whole sit in when i was the worst shape possible, and wondered if i should have gotten away from it. Poker is horrible sometimes pmsl.

Hmmmm.........I don't think I could fold in this spot. You're getting just over 2-1 in a situation where you're likely to be ahead. Obviously the only hands you don't wanna be up against are AA, KK and JQ (you'll take your chances against anything else). It's not an easy decision though and you're OOP to the caller OTB. His flat call is great on such a draw heavy board as it's inviting action from the blinds. In a tournament, I could see the guy OTB shoving and taking the pot down here.

Very unlucky - especially on your first hand at the table.