Quick question for all fellow sharkys...

Am chip leader in 3.5kg tourn on lads, i have 100k in chips and in the sb with q10 hearts, flop Kh Js 5h, I check it round and player bets pot (he has 40k in chips), I put him on KJ or set.. would you flat call or put him all in? Just wondering how others would play it...

Thanks for listening

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Dish77 wrote:Am chip leader in 3.5kg tourn on lads, i have 100k in chips and in the sb with q10 hearts, flop Kh Js 5h, I check it round and player bets pot (he has 40k in chips), I put him on KJ or set.. would you flat call or put him all in? Just wondering how others would play it...

Thanks for listening

x x x

id put him all in m8 and take the chance with all them outs,but thats just me

It's important to know what the blinds are in this situation, how he has been playing, how many left etc - all kep things to take into account before you make your decision - however on this info so far.....


100% I am check raising anyone all in - u have so many outs here and a chance you can pick up the pot wothout going to a showdown,

the only better scenario is to have 2 overcards as well!

what happened?

not sure how much he has bet? whats the pot/bet?

If it's like 4k pot and 4k bet, i might just flat call, and try and take him for the whole 40k.

If it's a bit more, say 7-10k pot/bet, then I'd reraise to 30k looks slightly stronger. If its more id lump em in.

Be nice to see some blinds, other stacks, position, etc, but unless its a small pot bet, you may as well get them in.

By the way, how are you putting him on KJ or set? Is he like uber-tight?

what did u bet pre flop

This question illustrates an important lack of understanding amongst most cash players trying to become tournament players.

There really isn't such a thing as right pot odds in a tournament. Just because you are in a scenario where if you call off your remaining chips on a draw because you have the correct pot odds doesn't make it the correct decision. Often if you have an edge over your opponents and your stack is playable it is right to fold to keep your tournament chips to find better and safer spots.

The example you gave is ludicrous because you cannot simply put someone on top 2 or a set by a single action. You haven't given us any information regarding what size the blinds or antes are. If they are large then it is very simple, you cover your opponent, it is likely he is betting as he has position plus you have an incredibly strong hand that is a favourite over nearly all holdings bar a set.

Contrary, if your opponent turns his hand over or he tells you he will not fold his hand, then it is stupid to get all the chips in the middle when you are flipping or a slight favourite. In that case you may as well see if you hit first, when you do put all the chips in as you know he will now call you regardless.

Simply put, if you have big draw and your opponent is too stupid or has strong hand that he wont fold there it is counterproductive to get all the chips in the middle on a flip when he will fully pay you off when you hit. In those cases take a look to see what the turn brings.

Of course this is just general ramblings, need to know A LOT more info to give precise anylsis.

gl

KunkuWap wrote:This question illustrates an important lack of understanding amongst most cash players trying to become tournament players.

There really isn't such a thing as right pot odds in a tournament. Just because you are in a scenario where if you call off your remaining chips on a draw because you have the correct pot odds doesn't make it the correct decision. Often if you have an edge over your opponents and your stack is playable it is right to fold to keep your tournament chips to find better and safer spots.

The example you gave is ludicrous because you cannot simply put someone on top 2 or a set by a single action. You haven't given us any information regarding what size the blinds or antes are. If they are large then it is very simple, you cover your opponent, it is likely he is betting as he has position plus you have an incredibly strong hand that is a favourite over nearly all holdings bar a set.

Contrary, if your opponent turns his hand over or he tells you he will not fold his hand, then it is stupid to get all the chips in the middle when you are flipping or a slight favourite. In that case you may as well see if you hit first, when you do put all the chips in as you know he will now call you regardless.

Simply put, if you have big draw and your opponent is too stupid or has strong hand that he wont fold there it is counterproductive to get all the chips in the middle on a flip when he will fully pay you off when you hit. In those cases take a look to see what the turn brings.

Of course this is just general ramblings, need to know A LOT more info to give precise anylsis.

gl

Have to say, since i read this bit, it has been stuck in my head...
Since the forum has started, this is the best bit of advice i have read or seen...

Having said something similar on another forum recently, bout folding a hand, even thou i may have been slight fav in the hand, but felt i didnt need to race and risk chips at that time, but was shot down in flames....

Excellent piece...

Dicie

Reading some of your replies (Kunkuwap especailly), I now realise I made the wrong decision. There was about 80 or so players left, blinds were 400/800, 5 in the hand and he bet the pot (around 5k). I checked and went all in (I didnt hit btw) but now thinking about it actually knew he would call. Still learning guys even though been playing online for a few years, sometimes don't think about the big picture and just focus on the hand at the time.. give me time, I'll get there!

With stacks this deep a check call is fine, I hate the check raise, I actually prefer a lead out bet, you get to define your hand much easier and may even win the pot there and then, if the player behind has hit a gin hand like top 2 on the flop he is unlikely to raise on this street, he will wait for the turn (unless it is very coordinated) By leading out you get to control how much goes in on the flop, its better than checking and facing (as you were) a pot sized bet and effectively you get a free card to turn your draw and possibly stack him.
If you check call what do you do on the flop when you miss your hand and are faced with another pot sized bet. I think this is the cheapest way to see subsequent streets.