Right or wrong fold

mr_s-658 sitting in seat 1 with 6060.00
BajenPatte sitting in seat 2 with 5435.00
Snowmann_666 sitting in seat 3 with 6160.99
ToySkoy sitting in seat 4 with 9390.00
Carnivore04 sitting in seat 5 with 15250.00[Dealer]
aldek88 sitting in seat 6 with 6935.00
scumbash sitting in seat 8 with 2730.00
mnb15 sitting in seat 9 with 10800.00
Gaben13 sitting in seat 10 with 2385.00[Sitting out]
aldek88 posted the small blind - 75.00
scumbash posted the big blind - 150.00

** Dealing cards to Carnivore04: ,
mnb15 called - 150.00
Gaben13 folded
mr_s-658 folded
BajenPatte folded
Snowmann_666 folded
ToySkoy folded
Carnivore04 called - 150.00
aldek88 folded
scumbash checked

** Dealing the flop: , ,
scumbash checked
mnb15 bet - 900.00
Carnivore04 called - 900.00
scumbash folded

** Dealing the turn:
mnb15 bet - 2250.00
Carnivore04 folded
mnb15 mucks:
mnb15 wins 4575.00 from the main pot

You FOLDED ?

So, you were afraid MBN limped with 7-8, pocket 9s, 3s, 10s or 6s ?

Standard button raise with kings would actually be more deceptive and just calling on the flop was, er, wrong imo.

hmm weird hand...

Don't like the limp pre, youre just inviting the blinds and limper to muff you up.

dont like the flat on flop, youre getting no information.

Don't like the fold on turn... what did you put him on?

His bet on flop looks like 10 or JJ ish to me I cant see him on set or draw with that overbet. On turn im ruling out str8 - who hits nuts there and bets pot? Slight chance he has AA tho, but i think its worth the risk of reraise, esp as you have him covered easily.

CARNIVORE04 wrote:mr_s-658 sitting in seat 1 with 6060.00
BajenPatte sitting in seat 2 with 5435.00
Snowmann_666 sitting in seat 3 with 6160.99
ToySkoy sitting in seat 4 with 9390.00
Carnivore04 sitting in seat 5 with 15250.00[Dealer]
aldek88 sitting in seat 6 with 6935.00
scumbash sitting in seat 8 with 2730.00
mnb15 sitting in seat 9 with 10800.00
Gaben13 sitting in seat 10 with 2385.00[Sitting out]
aldek88 posted the small blind - 75.00
scumbash posted the big blind - 150.00

** Dealing cards to Carnivore04: ,
mnb15 called - 150.00
Gaben13 folded
mr_s-658 folded
BajenPatte folded
Snowmann_666 folded
ToySkoy folded
Carnivore04 called - 150.00
aldek88 folded
scumbash checked

** Dealing the flop: , ,
scumbash checked
mnb15 bet - 900.00
Carnivore04 called - 900.00
scumbash folded

** Dealing the turn:
mnb15 bet - 2250.00
Carnivore04 folded
mnb15 mucks:
mnb15 wins 4575.00 from the main pot

i dont think you could played it any worse tbh,you got no info at any stage in hand,and wtf you put him on to fold there,set?

the hoooders wrote:

CARNIVORE04 wrote:mr_s-658 sitting in seat 1 with 6060.00
BajenPatte sitting in seat 2 with 5435.00
Snowmann_666 sitting in seat 3 with 6160.99
ToySkoy sitting in seat 4 with 9390.00
Carnivore04 sitting in seat 5 with 15250.00[Dealer]
aldek88 sitting in seat 6 with 6935.00
scumbash sitting in seat 8 with 2730.00
mnb15 sitting in seat 9 with 10800.00
Gaben13 sitting in seat 10 with 2385.00[Sitting out]
aldek88 posted the small blind - 75.00
scumbash posted the big blind - 150.00

** Dealing cards to Carnivore04: ,
mnb15 called - 150.00
Gaben13 folded
mr_s-658 folded
BajenPatte folded
Snowmann_666 folded
ToySkoy folded
Carnivore04 called - 150.00
aldek88 folded
scumbash checked

** Dealing the flop: , ,
scumbash checked
mnb15 bet - 900.00
Carnivore04 called - 900.00
scumbash folded

** Dealing the turn:
mnb15 bet - 2250.00
Carnivore04 folded
mnb15 mucks:
mnb15 wins 4575.00 from the main pot

i dont think you could played it any worse tbh,you got no info at any stage in hand,and wtf you put him on to fold there,set?

Good lord, is this the first instance of Hoooders and myself actually agreeing ??

Bainn wrote:
Good lord, is this the first instance of Hoooders and myself actually agreeing ??

And I.

MADV wrote:

Bainn wrote:
Good lord, is this the first instance of Hoooders and myself actually agreeing ??

And I.

Blimus.

(As Sid James would say)

Bainn wrote:

MADV wrote:

Bainn wrote:
Good lord, is this the first instance of Hoooders and myself actually agreeing ??

And I.

Blimus.

(As Sid James would say)

But they only formed in 2003? How did Sid know about the Surrey psychedelic country rock band?

MADV wrote:

Bainn wrote:

MADV wrote:

Bainn wrote:
Good lord, is this the first instance of Hoooders and myself actually agreeing ??

And I.

Blimus.

(As Sid James would say)

But they only formed in 2003? How did Sid know about the Surrey psychedelic country rock band?

You Googled "Blimus" ??

LOL

Tis a line from "Carry on Cleo" Squire.

Bainn wrote:

You Googled "Blimus" ?? (Why two question marks? Argh!)

LOL

Tis a line from "Carry on Cleo" Squire.

I suspected that, but thought I'd let you tell me from which of the movies it came. The missus would know, as she's an avid fan, but she's darn sarf!

Thanks guys and i too agree with all the comments so thats a full house !

The limp was defo a mistake but it was a toilet break mistake where i just got back in time to call.

That said i still know that guy had aces it was just his full out betting and the sneaky limp plus i felt it in my gut at the time.

Anyways i can only beat JJ and QQ here so for me it was too risky.

CARNIVORE04 wrote:That said i still know that guy had aces it was just his full out betting and the sneaky limp plus i felt it in my gut at the time.

Anyways i can only beat JJ and QQ here so for me it was too risky.

You're joking, right ?

I think we would all like your "Soul-reading" ability.

Bainn wrote:

CARNIVORE04 wrote:That said i still know that guy had aces it was just his full out betting and the sneaky limp plus i felt it in my gut at the time.

Anyways i can only beat JJ and QQ here so for me it was too risky.

You're joking, right ?

I think we would all like your "Soul-reading" ability.

I have to agree with Bainn here, reluctantly (only kidding), in that how in *insert-chosen-leader-or-supreme-being-or-big-bang-here*'s name can you a) but him on AA and the b) decide you're only beating QQ and JJ? This isn't some kind of high-end tournament where you're playing the tightest of tight-not player I'm sure. People online can, and will, have any hand ranging from 72os to AA.

I still, without further information, think the fold was terrible.

Hi Carnivore,

I think this is an easy call in my opinion (tut tut for not raising pre flop!), this would be my thought patterns:

First thing to consider is pot odds - gives you an indication of how often you need to win to be profitable. Here you need to win 1 in 3 times to break even: 2250 to win 4575

Second thing I like to consider is my stack size before and after a call/fold:
If you call and lose you have 12000
If you fold you have 14000
if you call and win you have 18500

Because the bb is 150, all 3 scenarios are good for you - however you can take more risks to make more chips because the blinds are so small (and hence you won't be below 20bb situation if u lose the pot)

Next thing I will consider is my hand strength and his holding. It's hard to tell what he has becasue he limped under the gun, but some possibilities are:

AA (hoping someone wud raise preflop) - KK unlikely cos you have it and QQ first to act you would exoect him to raise cos it isn't strong enough to allow free cards...

JJ TT or 99, JJ most likely as this would align with his post flop play and its not uncommon for people to limp utg with JJ, TT less likely as a T on the flop (and you would expect him to slowplay such a strong hand post flop), 99 same as JJ explanation.

Small Pairs: same as JJ, however less likely as people are more inclined to fold small pairs UTG - if he trips again you would expect some slow playing, he bet 900 into a 525 pot on the flop....that indiciates to me that he had a strong hand, but not amazingly strong, that he wanted to protect and not get drawn out (which makes me think he had JJ, AA or 2 pair)

AT: Another potential holding which aligns with the UTG limp, but not so much with the flop/turn betting -

Suited connectors: KQ, JQ, JT, J9, T9, 87 are all potential holdings here, and would align with his betting patterns

Bluff: Pretty unlikely as his betting sizes are ridicolous relative to the pot, however always worth adding a 10% margin for this as you never know what to expect

So in summary we could say (unfortunately we have no info on the guy or his style so we can't tweak this enhance the accuracy):
10% chance bluff
30% AA or JJ
30% Suited connector flush/straight draw
30% trips or 2 pair

According to the pot odds (first item) you need to win 1 in 3 to break even, and more times for profit..I think we easily make that margin of 1 in 3

Seeing as you have so many chips also and losing won't put you in a bad position that adds more value to the call

It's also worth consider that you might win even if u call and are behind (e.g. 2 pair but u river a higher 2 pair)

So my opinion: Call! however maybe he had AA and it was a great laydown

nice post, sorry my response is a bit rushed!

Steve (hopelesglory)

hopelesglory wrote:Hi[...]

nice post, sorry my response is a bit rushed!

Steve (hopelesglory)

LMAO!

Fantastic post, Steve. Some really insightful points and something for us all to consider - the ranges people can and do play.

I think you played the hand horrible on all streets.

Not raising pre-flp is horrible and i generally think players that limp inlate position with very big hands deserve to losethe hand (unless there is a reasonable expectation that an aggro player left to act might raise following the limp).Limping like this (especially with a limper before you) will generally mean you are in a hand with at least 3 players with no idea where you are throughout the hand and likely to be favourite to lose the hand from the start (even though more likely than any single hand to win)

The bet on the flop could mean any pair and draw or no hand at all and whatever reason you chose to simply call that bet does not really change on the turn. So unless you perceive your oppoent to be generally tight who would only fire two bullets if they absolutely convinced they were winning (and even then you may still be in front) it is not very logical to call the flop bet and then fold to the turn bet.

It is difficult to be very precise without some understanding of the reasons for your actions.